If VW is getting fined for violating emissions, then where's the fines for the Coalnation?

"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond) 10/04/2015 at 16:23 • Filed to: None

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Seriously. The government has known about this for quite a while. Intentionally messing with emissions and management to spew unburnt hydrocarbons. I’m not a fanatical tree-hugger, but there’s a point to be made here. What’s bad for a manufacturer isn’t bad for a citizen to do? VW can’t sell a dirty car but the moment I take delivery of their clean burning green car I can make it blow black smoke like that without penalty? There’s no factory option for the coal roll package?

Huh...

MultiplaOrgasms > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:28

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I thought rolling coal has been banned not too long ago.

Steve in Manhattan > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:29

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I am as liberal as they come. Seize their trucks and crush them, and throw ‘em in jail for 24 months or so. We all have to live together and preserve this mess for our grandchildren. If you have them.

HammerheadFistpunch > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:29

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Once again: This is illegal...federally. It’s just massively easier to go after point of sale

Rico > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:30

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Tougher to crackdown on things individuals are doing vs. a large corporate entity. I’m sure if a cop saw it they’d do something about it but only if the dude is going 10 MPH over the speed limit.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:30

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Because the VWs weren’t made in ‘MURICA with good ole’ fashion freedom and liberty dammit! Are you unAmerican son?!

M54B30 > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:36

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It IS illegal and they WILL get ticketed, but an officer has to see it happen, know the law, and choose to write a ticket. In states where emissions are checked, any modification will be seen during the inspection.

Birddog > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:37

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Ever go Fishing?

Ever caught every Fish in the Pond?

PS9 > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 10/04/2015 at 16:39

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That’s a Nissan. No self respecting true ‘murican bald eagle would be caught dead near one, so from that we can gather that these eagles have converted to communism.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > PS9 10/04/2015 at 16:42

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The Frontier was made in ‘Murica. So technically it’s an undercover Freedom Agent.

LongbowMkII > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:42

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there’s much much more money in fining manufacturers rather than individuals.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2015 at 16:46

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The funny thing is these are the same people that would be bitching even louder if they actually started fining people on a large scale basis for this offence.

PS9 > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 16:48

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VW sells cars across the whole US. To do that, you have to agree to certain federal rules and regulations or you will face fines. They broke said regulations, so now they face fines.

A coal rolling bro who performs illegal modifications to his sweet lifted Ram may or may not face punishment by the state in which he coal rolls if said state has anti-coal rolling laws on the books and has a law enforcement apparatus ready and willing to enforce the law. Absent all that, the coal rolling bro will not face penalties. It is of course federally illegal to tamper with any emissions equipment at all, but it’s not actually possible for one federal agency to police this across every single state. Local LEO might be willing to help, but this is not going to be a major issue on anybody’s radar. From their perspective, prosecuting speeding and other moving violations is more important for safety (and by that I mean $$$) than it will ever be to stop bros from rolling coal.

It’s true that there are online communities of people who purposefully roll coal, but this is not really enough to garner federal attention even given the illegal activity.

yamahog > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2015 at 16:51

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Yea. It’s illegal for an OEM to do lots of things. That doesn’t stop every car owner from mounting their license plates lower than allowed or anything else.

HammerheadFistpunch > yamahog 10/04/2015 at 16:57

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And much harder to go after said license plate rebel than the oem

Torinotony > Steve in Manhattan 10/04/2015 at 17:11

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Problem is the coal rollers are procreating at 20x the rate of the rest of us. Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

And I say this as the driver of a three row no-it’s-not a minivan crossover

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Steve in Manhattan 10/04/2015 at 17:35

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Nope. All the nopes.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 10/04/2015 at 17:36

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No, those Eagles are just going America ALL OVER THEIR ASSES.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > MultiplaOrgasms 10/04/2015 at 17:37

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It was never legal.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 17:59

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All the cops need to do is start issuing tickets, it’s already illegal and the EPA has told the cops to do so.

ranwhenparked > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 18:28

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Federal standards apply to manufacturers, its up to states to regulate what happens to cars after they’re sold.

In states that require annual emissions testing on diesel trucks, “rolling coal” can’t happen (or, at least, not for very long, as those modifications would have to be reversed to pass the next inspection).

Personally, I think its insane that there are so many states where an annual safety inspection isn’t mandatory. It would be one thing if most people were diligent about maintenance and kept their cars in good shape on their own, but we know most people don’t, so think about how many cars with bad brakes, bald tires, cracked windshields, and other major hazards are running around those places.

Emissions testing is the same story. I’m not one for heavy handed government regulation, but the fact remains that air quality has improved dramatically since the late 1960s when modern regulations came into effect. Modern cars emit only a tiny, tiny, fraction of what came out of the tailpipe decades ago, and our cities are cleaner, healthier, and more livable as a result. The improvement has been dramatic, and has been to everyone’s benefit. As in most things, your rights end when they begin to intrude on someone else’s rights, and spewing harmful emissions into the air definitely falls under that.

I Will Always Be The Honey Badger > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 18:30

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http://www2.epa.gov/enforcement/ed…

Edge, once the largest manufacturer of the tuners that provides these truck owners with a means to defeat the emissions equipment, was hammered by the EPA recently. You can no longer purchase such a tuner from them. H&S performance ( another big player in the Emission-delete game for diesels) temporarily shut down production, then re-opened their doors as a new company, H&S Motorsports. No more delete tuners for them. There are still some companies selling them, but the EPA has hit hard at a supplier level.

Steve in Manhattan > Torinotony 10/04/2015 at 20:57

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Idiocracy is on my mind, and on cable rotation right now. Watched the end a couple nights ago ... again. It remains a very good movie.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Grindintosecond 10/04/2015 at 21:34

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because rollin coal is as easy as changing a programmer or tune. see a cop and switch it back. Going in for an emmisions check? Put stock tune back on and good to go. Also large trucks are able to skirt epa things. Thats why on dealer lots they dont have MPG rating on them

BorkBorkBjork > Grindintosecond 10/05/2015 at 12:57

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Going after what is technically an aftermarket modification is a slippery slope. Yes, rolling coal is a bit excessive. However, in the eyes of an EPA bureaucrat, what is the difference between rolling coal and ANY aftermarket modification that increases pollutants? This could allow local municipalities to issue fines for ridiculous reasons. Bought a higher lift camshaft? $200. Put a big wing on your car? Oh, that affects fuel economy, $75. Not buying Low Rolling Resistance tires? Well the county will tax those another 15%.

Rykilla303 > Grindintosecond 10/05/2015 at 15:23

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In my state, you can report them, and they can also be stopped and ticketed...

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/…

greasemonkey235097 > Grindintosecond 10/11/2015 at 14:06

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I am the proud owner of a 03 dodge ram 2500 with a cummins engine, i have a 3” exhaust and muffler to give it a bit of tone, but never installed a reprogrammer, nor i intend to, nothing more stupid than these fools, wanting to show they have a big truck, extending thir mirros, and poluting our enviroment. Punish them all!